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Suddenly, he was in charge of managing our daughter's social life and school interactions. And even though what he did most of the time was just throw it over to me, he found it absolutely exhausting. Some additional complications this market would present: What counts as emotional labor and what doesn't count?

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Instead of men complaining that women are just doing things that nobody gives a shit about? And go send your college roommate a goddamned "thinking of you! You're totally right about it not being the woman's fault and how it should also fall onto the guy to do their own work.

Yet aren't those above examples of like controlling behavior done by toxic and self-centered people that one should probably limit their encounters with though?

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This goes back to the fact that this work is considered a woman's job. A single man is man and is thus not penalized for failing to undertake this emotional labor.

A man whose partner fails to send a birthday card is also not penalized, because a man is never expected to do this emotional work. Or, here's another example. As I speak, my daughter is out playing kick the can with the other neighborhood kids in the street. There's a treehouse Seeking submissive playdate the tree in my front yard, built entirely by children ages When my daughter had a medical emergency and my four year old son ran out the front door that the paramedics left open, one of the neighborhood 12 year olds scooped him up Seeking submissive playdate told me "Don't worry about it -- I've got him.

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You know who does the labor to keep all that together? The kids can all be out in the street playing because there are a lot of stay at home moms, and the older kids are OK being left home alone because there are moms on the street during the afternoon. The women plan the block parties.

The women rent the movies. The women arrange the dinners to people who just had a new baby, or whose spouse just died. The men show up, and they enjoy it, and they benefit hugely from the close-knit nature of our neighborhood -- but it's the women who make it happen. Also, I personally have been dragged over the proverbial coals in very dramatic fashion by my single men friends whose birthdays I have Seeking submissive playdate to acknowledge. As the female friend I am expected to plug myself into the wife role for things like this, e.

I don't mind doing it because I love my friends, but there would be real consequences if I failed to. Yeah, it's impossible to know. I understand this feeling because I have a visceral reaction against certain rhetoric about housework as a feminist issue, namely the idea that I "expect a woman to clean up after me. The difference in expectations comes from gendered socialization but it's not a fact that all these things have to be done and I promise that I will never, ever be upset that they aren't.

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All of my past partners would have self-identified as "feminist. Seriously, if "just walk away" were a valid way of opting out of the patriarchy, trust me! We would have all already walked away. Also, I would like to gently suggest to straight dudes who grumble about how hard it is to find a partner and who wonder where all the interesting, fun, smart women are?

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Yeah, dance tends to be gendered but this kind of thing happens all over. Imagine if there were a nationwide yearlong emotional labor sit in. The person in the family who does the emotional heavy lifting takes one year off from birthday celebrations, holiday gifts, cocktail party planning, dinner party invites, sending cards and notes, making social calls, making doctor and dentist appointments, keeping Seeking submissive playdate family social calendar, checking the children's subissive, etc.

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